Derrynasaor : Derrynasoir : means The Carpenters Grove / McIntyre's Grove
doire (derry) grove
in old census Doire is sometimes written as Derry
Na Saor — McIntyre . Mac-an-t-Saoir, son of the carpenter / wright
There are 2 in the parish ?at different times
and potentially different places
is ONE referring to Glenoe in some records - the lands of the McIntyres (before 1806) are on the East side of the Loch, when Breadalbane is expanding the deer forest after the MacIntyre family have left
There is clear evidence that Blackmount had expanded further west, reaching Loch Etive during the 1840s, when the farms of Ardmaddy, Inverkinglass and Derrynasoir marched with the Forest. This phase of expansion can be corroborated with detailed reports on deer numbers provided by Peter Robertson between 1836 and 1845, showing the inclusion of new areas where deer were observed, in Glen Etive and Glen Kinglass. 30
by 1841 census the location from the census is not Glenoe, but up by Glenkinglas NN 16440 38089 after Glenkinglas, before Acharn and Ardmaddy
1841 EAST SIDE - between GlenKinglass and Ardmaddy somewhere around Acharn ?
Piece: SCT1841/504 Place: Ardchattan-Argyllshire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Ardchattan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island:
Folio: 11 Page: 1
Address: Derrynasaor Doire-na-Saor
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAMERON Alexr. M 30 Ag Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
CAMERON Agnes F 25 Argyllshire
CAMERON Donald M 4 Argyllshire
CAMERON Catharine F 2 Argyllshire
CAMERON Alexr. M 9m Argyllshire
CAMERON Angus M 20 Ag Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
there is a description of what may be now known as Glenkinglass Lodge from an old | Scottish Mountaineering Guide: can anyone confirm ?
quote from | Morvern Transformed: A Highland Parish in the Nineteenth Century By Philip Gaskell
John Sinclair of Lochaline
Like the Gregorsons, John Sinclair was a Highlander, having been born at the top of Glen Kinglass, Loch Etive, in 1770; his forebears were the tacksmen of Doire nan Saor, one of the many families of Sinclairs that claims descent from the St Clairs of Rosslyn. John left home early to <make his fortune>
There is clear evidence that Blackmount had expanded further west, reaching Loch Etive during the 1840s, when the farms of Ardmaddy, Inverkinglass and Derrynasoir marched with the Forest.
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Repairs were proposed to the buildings at Derrynasoir during 1843 when the factor stated: 'I believe that nothing has been done to these houses since they came into Lord Breadalbane's hands'. Wyllie was of the opinion that since Derrynasoir was a permanent 'station' for a shepherd, adequate accommodation should be provided; likewise, he suggested that some repairs were necessary at Ardmaddy.76 The particular function of Ardmaddy during that decade is unclear; however, it was occasionally resided at by Sir Alexander Campbell, indicating that it may have served as a lodge, or headquarters, on the western fringes of Blackmount Forest.
Forest: A tabular return of all the Forest Establishment including foresters, shepherds & c (2nd July 1849) is on page 377 of the https://theses.gla.ac.uk/6486/1/2004dooganphd.pdf fabulous research of the Black Mount forest
NEED TO SORT OUT THE RECORDS FOR EACH ONE ..- 1871
Alexander McLeish Age 34 Deer Forester, Fortingall, Perthshire
Name Betsy McLeish Age 36
Name Alexander Cattanach Age 23 (Salmon fisher) there as census enumerator
1895 valuation rolls EAST SIDE
1895 Tenant Occupier HOUSE AND FARM ACHARN ARDMADDY ETC DUNCAN AND ALEXANDER MACCALLUM / ARDCHATTAN AND MUCKAIRN ARGYLL COUNTY VR89 / 41 / 301
1895 Tenant HOUSE DERRYNASAOR ARDMADDY DUNCAN AND ALEXANDER MACCALLUM /
Alexander MCCALLUM M 38 M Moulin, Perth, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 8000 Acres Of Which 10 Arable
Annie MCCALLUM M 30 F Killin, Perth, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Peter MCCALLUM U 27 M Inishail, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Shepherd
Peter SINCLAIR M 67 M Fortingal, Perth, Scotland
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Formerly Farmer
Catherine BEATON U 21 F Kilmore, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Domestic Serv
Dwelling: Derrynasaor
Census Place: Ardchattan & Muckairn, Argyll, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203554 GRO Ref Volume 504 EnumDist 8 Page 2
1881
Name: John Cameron
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Sarah Cameron
Gender: Male
Where born: Lismore G, Argyllshire
Registration Number: 504
Registration district: Ardchattan
Civil Parish: Ardchattan
County: Argyll
Address: Derrynasaor
Occupation: Shepherd
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 6
LINE: 21
Roll: cssct1881_149
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cameron 55
Sarah Cameron 52
Magneas Cameron 15
John Sinclair was a Highlander, having been born at the top of Glen Kinglass, Loch Etive, in 1770; his forebears were tacksmen of Doire nan Saor, one of the many families of Sinclairs that claimed descent from the St Clairs of Rosslyn. John left home early to make his way in the world, and settled at Tobermory—the village founded in Mull by the Duke of Argyll and the British Society for Extending Fisheries in 1788-9—where he became established as a merchant: he imported seed corn and other necessaries to the island, and exported its produce; he built up a fleet of trading vessels which ranged as far south as Glasgow and even Liverpool; and he owned the important Tobermory Distillery. In time he became rich, married Catherine MacLachlan—the eldest daughter of Argyll's tacksman at Rahoy—and looked round for land of his own. He found what he wanted over the Sound in Morvern….. https://vdocuments.com.br/morvern-transformed-a-highland-parish-in-the-nineteenth-century.html
The more well known one now is on West Loch Etive side in the upper reaches above Dail. But this does not appear in the 1800s census
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=NN058406
Above Dail on the West side of the upper reaches of Loch Etive
1871 Scotlandsplaces, Ordnance survey
DOIRE NAN SAOR Doire nan Saor
Duncan McColl Barrs
J. McIntyre Cadderlie
Rev [Reverend] D. McLean Glenorchy
A small elevation situated north east of Doire an eiich. Sig. [Signification] The joiners' clump.
